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Introducing: The Callover

The Callover is a Queensland Law Society podcast created by young lawyers, for young lawyers. The QLS Future Leaders Committee is dedicated to inspiring a generation of connected, capable and healthy young lawyers. Join us, as we invite guests to share their experiences in the law, unpack issues relevant to young lawyers and gain some insights into the future of lawyering. 


If you have a suggestion or idea that you would like to share for The Callover, please email futureleaders@qls.com.au. We would love to hear from you!

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Episode one: What does a Lawyer look like in 2022?

Guest: Ann-Maree David, Executive Director, College of Law Queensland

Ann-Maree champions the idea that the law is fundamentally a service profession so the more diverse the profession, the better we can serve clients from all walks of life. We talk about how the face of the legal profession has changed since she began 40 years ago, why young lawyers should feel comfortable being themselves at work and how we can tackle that niggling imposter syndrome. 

 

Ann-Maree has worked across public and private sector roles and is now leading legal education as an Executive Director at the College of Law. She was previously a founding director of the Australian Gender Equality Council, is the immediate past President of Australian Women Lawyers and in 2018, won the Agnes McWhinney Award. 

 

If you were inspired by Ann-Maree’s wisdom, you may want to get your hands on a copy of A Woman’s Place: 100 Years of Queensland Women Lawyers by Purdon and Rahemtula (2005). 

 

Special thanks must go to Zoe Navarro, Ella Thomas, Rebecca Murray, Eve Anderson, Geoff McLeod, for their contributions to the production of this episode. 

 

To read a transcript of this episode: What does a lawyer look like in 2022? Transcript

To find Ann-Maree: https://www.linkedin.com/in/annmareedavid 

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a 

To find more content for young lawyers, visit The Hub: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub


Episode two: How to make it as a young lawyer

Guest: Michael Murray, Supervising Solicitor, Townsville Community Law

Michael Murray wasn’t sure he wanted to be a lawyer, particularly not after he failed two subjects in his first semester. But that was before he decided to buy into the university experience and give “making it as a young lawyer” all he had. We talk about what young lawyers can do to best prepare for life as a lawyer, the benefits of engaging in community law and local district law associations.  

 

Michael is now a supervising solicitor with Townsville Community Law, academic and lecturer at James Cook University and the winner of the QLS Young Lawyer Award for 2020.  

 

If you were inspired by Michael’s advice, you may want to check out your local community legal centre and your local district law association. 


Special thanks must go to Zoe Navarro, Ella Thomas, Rebecca Murray, Eve Anderson, Geoff McLeod, for their contributions to the production of this episode. 

 

To read a transcript of this episode: How to make it as a young lawyer - Transcript

To find Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-murray-530860146 

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a 

To find more content for young lawyers, visit The Hub: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub


Episode three: Dealing with controversial clients and the adversarial courtroom

Guest: Kristy Bell, Partner, Howden Saggers Lawyers

Whether appearing in the Magistrates Court as duty lawyer or the Supreme Court in a high profile trial, it’s fair to say the Kristy Bell spends her days on the front lines of the criminal justice system. On this episode, we discuss her experiences working for both sides of the criminal justice system and how she deals with maintaining her objectivity and professional obligations when dealing with controversial clients. 

 

Kirsty Bell has been practising in criminal law since 2011is an accredited criminal law specialist, a current member of the QLS Criminal Law Committee and is currently a partner at Howden Saggers Lawyer. 

 

Special thanks must go to Zoe Navarro, Ella Thomas, Rebecca Murray, Eve Anderson, Geoff McLeod, for their contributions to the production of this episode. 

 

To read a transcript of this episode: Dealing with controversial clients and the adversarial courtroom with Kristy Bell - Transcript

To find Kristy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristy-bell-40121128/

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a 

To find more content for young lawyers, visit The Hub: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub


Episode four: International Women's Day Special with the Honourable Margaret McMurdo AC

Guest:  The Honourable Margaret McMurdo AC

The Hon Margaret McMurdo AC is a trailblazer. When her Honour finished law school, she was one of a handful of women at the Bar. In 1991, she went on to become the youngest person appointed to Queensland’s District Court (and the first woman ever to sit on that Bench), before becoming the first (and still only) female President of Queensland’s Court of Appeal in 1998. Since her Honour's retirement from the Bench, Justice McMurdo has continued to serve the community in many ways.


On this very special episode of The Callover, in honour of International Women’s Day, we have the privilege of speaking with Justice McMurdo about her incredible journey in the legal profession.


Special thanks must go to Zoe Navarro, Ella Thomas, Rebecca Murray, Eve Anderson, Geoff McLeod, for their contributions to the production of this episode.


To read a transcript of this episode: International-Women-s-Day-Special-with-the-Honourable-Margaret-McMurdo-AC-Transcript.pdf

To find Margaret McMurdo: https://www.linkedin.com/in/margaret-mcmurdo-ac-94b8b4145

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a

To find a link to the Taskforce website: https://www.womenstaskforce.qld.gov.au/

To find out more about the Queensland Community Foundation: https://qcf.org.au/

To find more content for young lawyers, visit The Hub: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub

 


Episode five: Making mistakes and navigating ethical issues

Guest:  Dan Rogers, Legal Director, Robertson O'Gorman Solicitors 

We all make mistakes. What’s important is what you do when you’ve discovered it. Dan Rogers is the Principal and Legal Director at Robertson O’Gorman Solicitors and regularly represents lawyers in professional discipline matters. On this episode, Dan talks about some practical steps you can take when you realise you’ve made a mistake to ensure you’re complying with all your ethical and profession obligations and how to seek practical help if you need it. 

 

For more about the QLS Senior Counsellors program Dan mentioned and how they can provide guidance to practitioners on professional or ethical problems, visit https://www.qls.com.au/Services/Professional-Services/QLS-Senior-Counsellors.

 

Special thanks must go to Zoe Navarro, Ella Thomas, Rebecca Murray, Eve Anderson and Geoff McLeod, for their contributions to the production of this episode. 


To read a transcript of this episode: Making mistakes and navigating ethical issues with Dan Rogers - Transcript

To find Dan Rogers: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-rogers-25a88972 

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a

To find more content for young lawyers, visit The Hub: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub


Episode six: Reflections on a life in the law with Bruce Cowley

Guest:  Bruce Cowley, 2022 QLS President's Medal recipient  

Bruce Cowley takes us on a walk through his life in the law from when he began his articles in 1981 to his retirement from the very same firm some 40 years on. Bruce’s passion for the law oozes through in our conversation while he shares his insight into the changes, both positive and not so positive, that he has observed over his life in the law.  

 

If you would like to know more about the 2022 Queensland Law Society’s President’s Medal awardee, this article in Proctor is a wonderful read.

 

Special thanks must go to Zoe Navarro, Ella Thomas, Rebecca Murray, Eve Anderson and Geoff McLeod, for their contributions to the production of this episode. 


To read a transcript of this episode: Reflections on a Life in the Law with Bruce Cowley - Transcript

To find Bruce Cowley: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bruce-cowley-7106a02b/

To find Georgia: https://www.linkedin.com/in/georgia-athanasellis-21713715a

To find more content for young lawyers, visit The Hub: https://www.qls.com.au/Membership/The-Hub


Acknowledgement of Country

The Callover pays respect to elders past, present and emerging, and to the law men and law women who for tens of thousands of years ensured the peace, order and good governance of this place long before it became known as Queensland.